Intel Tried To Kill x86!

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Dustin VanKeuren
Dustin VanKeuren

Y'all forgot to mention (or maybe you didn't know) that OpenVMS used Itanium. They had to start the migration to x86 due to the Itaniumbeing discontinued.

14 uur geleden
Ray Foss
Ray Foss

Itanium sounds a lot like Tesla's Dojo

Dag geleden
Bogdan Mart
Bogdan Mart

WTF. I thought it's some new news. But that about 10 years old Itanium. WTF.

Dag geleden
Maddog GT
Maddog GT

I havnt used a x86 processor since 2003. X64 was the way to go. Not sure why people still use any 32bit OS at all as anything 32bit can run on 64bit OS. If you have a computer today with a 32bit version of windows, YOU have been scammed.

Dag geleden
Juan Garcia
Juan Garcia

Now that most, if not all new computers are 64-bit, can't Itanium make a comeback?

2 dagen geleden
Eddie Bibby
Eddie Bibby

Metaphor or analogy?

2 dagen geleden
Zen Kim
Zen Kim

In the 1980s.... IBM: We're launching a newer, superior hardware/software platform -- the PS/2 system & OS/2 -- that will completely replace the PC standard & DOS! PC Clone Industry, Microsoft: We don't think so. IBM: [much later] Well, fuck. ... Then, in the 2000s.... Intel: We're launching a newer, superior hardware/software platform -- the Itanium Architecture -- that will completely replace the x86 CPU standard & server software design! IBM: Bruh....

2 dagen geleden
imark7777777
imark7777777

Are they I-un-tanium?

2 dagen geleden
Mr Tuk
Mr Tuk

Maybe you should cover the Intel rebate system which they used with the likes of Dell to stifle AMD 64 sales so as reducing AMD's profit to invest in future RnD in turn hurting customers choice !

4 dagen geleden
Lionel Alva
Lionel Alva

It would be interesting to see how Intel leverages RISC-V.

5 dagen geleden
Len Harold
Len Harold

The IA-64 architecture was conceptually based on HP-PA for which HP had written very successful branch prediction compilers for HP-UX. The big problems came when Intel wanted to add support for out of order execution that they had in their x86 compilers. The concepts of out of order execution and software branch prediction conflict with each other in ways that had never been studied. With the secretive natures of Intel and HP, they didn't let the details of the problem out to the open source community which might have had a chance at solving it. That along with supporting the x86 hardware emulation shell killed the project. If some logicians and mathematicians ever come up with the rules for compiling with both out of order execution and software branch prediction enabled the IA-64/HP-PA architectures will far surpass x86 and probably compete with Apple's new RISC architecture.

6 dagen geleden
slashtiger1
slashtiger1

02:42 LOL @ Professor Trelawny reference...!

6 dagen geleden
Stephen Kennedy
Stephen Kennedy

It’s about time you guys did a video on the Itanium!

6 dagen geleden
Josh Heidenreich
Josh Heidenreich

Can we collectively stop saying "software needs to be rewritten" and replace it with "software needs to be recompiled"... obviously OS changes mean that the actual apis have changed, but practically no software is written directly in assembly anymore and therefore should mostly be portable between architectures (assuming complete and working compilers). Yes I know that the innards of operating systems will require special care, but *applications* should be almost entirely portable.

6 dagen geleden
Mrkenjoe1
Mrkenjoe1

My question is why didn't intel make a architecture that was like the 8086 with a math coprocessor. Except have a two socket motherboard. Have Itanium main processor and a x86 coprocessor. This would have let the x86 programs be handled by a x86 processor. While giving the market time to transition to the new Itanium instruction set. I know there would have been issues with OS development but this type of thing could have possibly helped?

12 dagen geleden
Bob
Bob

The lesson is if you want people adopt a new CPU architecture you'd better ensure you have a *very* good emulation layer in place so people can still run their existing software during and after the transition. without feeling they're at a big disadvantage vs running it natively. Apple gets this which is why PowerPC to Intel and then Intel to M1 were/are a success, Intel and Microsoft did not.

12 dagen geleden
Scoring digits, son.
Scoring digits, son.

Not gonna lie, intel kinda stupid

14 dagen geleden
FeuerfesteUnterhose08/15
FeuerfesteUnterhose08/15

Remember when intel was actually good? I don’t, seems like forever when they did

14 dagen geleden
Bill Clinton
Bill Clinton

Why wouldn't they, x86 is very yikes

14 dagen geleden
John Doh
John Doh

INTRODUCING THE NEW, small cores and the NEW ISA! And all the people and companies jump up and cheer because they know how terrible their software runs in X86-64. Or, wait, no not many people are jumping for joy at ALL. Seems like a lot of these people were finally understanding that all they really needed to do is optimize for many core processing, or multi-threading, and having a software engineer or two who are experienced in parallel processing to come in to show their developers how to break software problems up to get true parallel processing. Yes, you Autodesk, you need to start the process, and good for you Adobe for starting the process. We'll see how the game engines are coming along in a year or few. And no, small cores won't solve a problem when the real issue is failing to understand the parallel processing paradigm.

15 dagen geleden
Erick Indra Tara
Erick Indra Tara

wow have my down thumb for having 15% ad

17 dagen geleden
Killerspieler0815
Killerspieler0815

haha

18 dagen geleden
Uthman Baksh
Uthman Baksh

Some would say it's not worth covering tech that is so obscure but there could be some problems that it would have solved. It's good to learn one of the thousands of ways not to make a CPU in order to really learn how to make a CPU.

18 dagen geleden
wilkinsjonny
wilkinsjonny

Itanium? more like Itchanium... Am i rite James ?

18 dagen geleden
Syed Ata ur Rahman
Syed Ata ur Rahman

🤣🤣🤣🤣 WHAT IS THAT FACE IN THE THUMBNAIL????

19 dagen geleden
Spitfire777
Spitfire777

3:06 That spanish moment made me laugh 😂

20 dagen geleden
Lundo
Lundo

The problem is, you need hardware to run software. Like you'd literally need another processor to run the software to control the main processor. You'd need a computer for the computer. Like wtf? Who thinks of this?

20 dagen geleden
Roxor128
Roxor128

Believe it or not, it's actually old hat. Some old supercomputers (as in tens of megaflops performance) needed a regular minicomputer to control them. I think some of Cray's early machines did that. We can also go low-level with the use of microcode in CPU design, which has been around since not long after the dawn of computing. You have low-level instructions about how to decode and execute the processor's overall instruction set. It's been patchable in x86 CPUs since the Pentium Pro era, though the OS needs to have the relevant patch files from Intel or AMD and make use of CPU-specific instructions to do it. And for a more recent example: GPUs. They're plenty programmable (enough to run Linux in some cases!) and are controlled by the main CPU.

18 dagen geleden
Graeme Lastname
Graeme Lastname

As far as I'm concerned, simpler is better. Yep, that simple.

20 dagen geleden
Roxor128
Roxor128

Ah, yes, the Itanic. I wonder if it might have done better if Intel had gotten it into a games console like IBM did with the Cell processor in Sony's Playstation 3. The explicitly-parallel architecture of the Itanium does sound like the kind of quirky thing you'd find in a console.

20 dagen geleden
Prince Sharma
Prince Sharma

I remember downloading some software to install but windows just couldn't run it. Then i tried again thinking it was probably corrupt while downloading to only realize i downloaded ia86 architecture based setup package and that was the day i learned there are more than two instructions sets.

20 dagen geleden
Randy Anderson
Randy Anderson

Forgive me if I'm wrong here, it has been over 2 decades, but wasn't the Pentium IV based on Epic and x86 code had to be translated to Epic by the processor?

21 dag geleden
Randall Cuevas
Randall Cuevas

"if you are trying to reinvent the wheel, make sure it is compatible with your car" 4:25

21 dag geleden
Melissa Garcia
Melissa Garcia

Lol looking at the title I already knew it was Itanium :)

21 dag geleden
shorebreak69
shorebreak69

yes, you are crap at metaphors.

21 dag geleden
Wim Widdershins
Wim Widdershins

X86 is like the internal combustion engine.

21 dag geleden
aleksic1234
aleksic1234

x86 is as reliable as 64 bit. Like seriously, what’s wrong with x86?

22 dagen geleden
Boris Vokladski
Boris Vokladski

I have heard that the Itanium CPUs was called "Itanic". It says everthing about this CPU.

22 dagen geleden
The Q
The Q

"software will tell the cpu what to do" me a layman: "but what if the software is written very poorly like it usually is"

22 dagen geleden
brucethen
brucethen

Now where have I heard of software scheduling before ( after)? Oh yeah Alder lake / windows 11

22 dagen geleden
suit1337
suit1337

Opteron, Team Red? Back in the Day, AMD was Team Green 😂

22 dagen geleden
Rob Crum
Rob Crum

Is it me or is he playing up his Canadian accent in this video?

22 dagen geleden
Blahorga Slisk
Blahorga Slisk

For at least 35 years I've heard people say things like: "X86 is old, slow and clumsy. There is no way to improve performance the way it is going to need to improve. RISC is the future in processor design and it will stomp all over the CISC architectures." Well 35 years down the road we are still using X86, but it has evolved from being 16-bit to first 32-bit and now 64-bit. Each time doom and gloom was predicted. Adding the 64-bit extensions was described as putting lipstick on a pig, and yet this pig is pretty damned spry. Meanwhile the RISC projects has evolved back and forth. PowerPC was pretty impressive in it's heyday, certainly better supported than Itanium, but MIPS and SPARC were where things seemed to really happen. Then ARM came about and suddenly it was THE RISC architecture everyone seemed to love, but only in low power applications, at least up until last year. Perhaps it's finally time for RISC to shine but I wouldn't hold my breath. Somehow it seems that every time the death of x86 looks like it just may happen Intel, and lately AMD, dig in and produce new processors with even better performance. As long as they continue to do that the customers win.

23 dagen geleden
Blahorga Slisk
Blahorga Slisk

@Dan Rein The superiority of the 68000 was largely due to the fact that is was designed as a 32 bit processor that was scaled back to 16 bit to make it cheaper and more viable in the market at the time. They even had an answer to the original x86 with the 68008 (if I remember correctly) that only had a 8-bit bus. That was used in for instance the Sinclair QL. Scaling the 68000 up to 32 bit was mostly a non issue as it was originally designed for that with a flat memory topology and wide registers available from day one. From what I was told it was also using a much cleaner and more logical instruction set, but that's really beyond my experience. The biggest thing I think was memory management where the 68000 family was much easier to work with without all that bank switching that the x86 processors were forced to when running 16-bit code. This enabled the simple implementation of bitmapped graphics like in the case of the early Macintosh machines. These were technically much simpler than any IBM PC clone at the time.

22 dagen geleden
Dan Rein
Dan Rein

The motorola 68000 architecture was also CISC but inherently superior back in the day. The Amiga and Macintosh computers being the main systems that used it, and while in many aspects they were also superior platforms Commodore lacked vision with it's terrible management and Apple jumped ship to PPC since Motorola had no interest in developing the 68k architecture further. Personally I think RISC chips have their place but I just don't see them taking over. I mean heck, Nvidia brute-forced their way to the top in the early 2000's... x86-64 certainly has pulled off scalability.

22 dagen geleden
Snope
Snope

literally just went over all this in my computer engineering class... WILD

23 dagen geleden
Graham Cantin
Graham Cantin

dude, it's called amd64, not x86_64. Intel was forced to license the 64bit extensions back from AMD. There's no such thing as x86. The x is a standin for 186, 286, 386, 486, 586, 686, which all have vastly different operation modes and instruction sets. 8086 and 8088/z80 aren't even directly compatible in binary translation tables to machine code/microcode in later x86s.

23 dagen geleden
Ken Smith
Ken Smith

Itanium wasn't the first attempt from Intel. There was also the IPX432 and the I860. Each of these was worse than the other. Working out which instruction goes first is fairly easy on a RISC machine and would be within the grasp of a compiler to do. It would require a custom compiler for each version of a chip but that could be done if speed was your biggest goal.

23 dagen geleden
Jorelplay
Jorelplay

04:00 I see some German layout there

23 dagen geleden
Alex Wilson
Alex Wilson

Cutest techie of the bunch. Moar plz & ty

23 dagen geleden
Allison Pell
Allison Pell

Good old iTanic...

23 dagen geleden
MrManerd
MrManerd

Okay, so what I want to know is. If x86 is so inefficient, then why is it the only processors that surpass it in real world performance are ASIC? Also, I'm pretty sure lots of the big players have "tried" to kill off x86 and some point. In fact, if I recall correctly, that's how several x86 players (Sis, Via, and Cyrix) exited the x86 market. Microsofts been trying to do that for decades, which, I believe, began with Windows for Itanium, and their latest iteration is Windows for ARM. What I don't get is that the obvious solution to killing off x86, for those that are serious about it, would be to add hardware support for an FPGA, or (in MS case) make a version of Windows that requires an FPGA.

23 dagen geleden
MrManerd
MrManerd

@看海人 EXACTLY! If MS made an FPGA as a system requirement for all newest versions of Windows they could then include FPGA burn in protocols within the API. Then, over time, as more and more applications made use of the FPGA, eventually the x86 CPU would be relegated to BIOS like duty, only being utilized to facilitate the burn in protocols and support legacy applications.

2 dagen geleden
看海人
看海人

FPGA is field programmable gate array. It can be anything. If you want a FPGA to be a CPU, you still need to design the CPU. Write the program code and burn it to the FPGA chip. FPGA is not a CPU.

4 dagen geleden
Nathaniel Stickley
Nathaniel Stickley

So, you're saying that a lot of your viewers are not old enough to know about the Itanic. This was around the same time period that they were also trying to push the proprietary Rambus memory, which was also a flop. .... and AMD was green, not red. Thanks for making me feel old.

23 dagen geleden
Ryzen
Ryzen

Just to make things clearer for everyone: x86_64 was created by AMD for starters, and the Opteron was the first cpu to support but x86 and X86_64 so you could run both legacy 32-bit code and newer 64-bit code. What we are all using today - and everything Intel has created since then - is base on AMD x86_64. So, once again in the history of cpus, AMD saved the day for all of us. And some people are still vouching for Intel in 2021... Edit: 2003-2004, I remember I successfully steering away our architecture team for our next ERP system to move away from Itanium system that HP wanted us so badly to buy. Even as early as 2002, the Itanium was already dead in the water before reaching systems. Ty AMD!

23 dagen geleden
LanciaBear
LanciaBear

I remember those days well :) Windows 2000 x64 was buggy and didn't have great driver support at the time...but the whole AMD64 thing was awesome!

21 dag geleden
C Stout
C Stout

Another fun fact: Oracle still makes SPARC CPUs for their HPC customers.

23 dagen geleden
Anonymous user
Anonymous user

Make a nuclear reactor top 10 ranking

23 dagen geleden
Marytė Šedbarienė
Marytė Šedbarienė

OLD CELERON OLD PENTIUM OLD ATOM

23 dagen geleden
blanco
blanco

seria "Donde esta el baño" #LTTen español

23 dagen geleden
Rapscallion2009
Rapscallion2009

Wasn't PowerPC supposed to do something similar?

23 dagen geleden
看海人
看海人

No. PowerPC is a RISC chip like ARM. Itanium is VLIW. Similar thing is Transmeta Crusoe. A notebook chip powered some Fujitsu low power notebook at that time. It runs x86 instruction by instruction translation. Apple purchased the Transmeta company and those guys are now Apple Silicon designers. The M1 chips' x86 translation assisting instructions should be those guys design.

4 dagen geleden
Nelson Stack
Nelson Stack

i think its retarded it exists.

23 dagen geleden
Zoltán Szaller
Zoltán Szaller

Intel i860 and i960? Does it ring a bell? Probably not, you are too young. :)

23 dagen geleden
ジャシン
ジャシン

please talk about the EU forcing apple to USB c

23 dagen geleden
Kincaid
Kincaid

The voice ... So annoying

23 dagen geleden
diecast jam
diecast jam

X86 is like a millstone around the necks of...well all of us, it's old fashioned very outdated and holding everyone back, what Intel were trying to do with Itanium, was a great idea just badly executed, a new more modern architecture was created it's called ARM.

23 dagen geleden
Max Weber
Max Weber

Are you going to do a video about FPGA?

23 dagen geleden
Paul Mulders
Paul Mulders

Oracle just lost their appeal in the lawsuit HPE brought against them over dropping Itanium support despite promises. They have to pay HPE over 3 billion dollars in damages

23 dagen geleden
ft55555
ft55555

You can thank AMD for saving the world from the proprietary, single-vendor bullshit that could have happened.

23 dagen geleden
Luis Mediavilla
Luis Mediavilla

¿disculpe señor podría indicarme dónde está el baño? let’s write proper spanish.

23 dagen geleden
fly 8743b5
fly 8743b5

the channels quality gets worse and worse over the years. same pattern every video. same stupid clickbait everytime. but they got 4mil subbs they have to keep goin. no blame. unsubbed.

24 dagen geleden
Nicholas Espinoza
Nicholas Espinoza

itchy neck?

24 dagen geleden
ricky v
ricky v

I’d heard of these and wondered what they were. Oh well now it’s ARM as the new efficiency king. 😂

24 dagen geleden
Sam Vega
Sam Vega

Just got that tool kit today! its sooo badass

24 dagen geleden
Falxie_
Falxie_

Hopefully ARM or RISC-V can overcome these problems

24 dagen geleden
whosonedphone
whosonedphone

That was a dangerously good textbook Segway to a sponsor. Don't ever do that again.

24 dagen geleden
Just Some Person
Just Some Person

LOL If you're trying to reinvent the wheel, maybe prove it's actually a better wheel in some (any) way.

24 dagen geleden
Just Some Person
Just Some Person

To be ... fair? ... to Intel, Itanium was from the same era as the Pentium 4 ... which was also a horrible direction for CPUs*. Clearly they were smoking some bad $#!7. (*= In spite of the bad direction of the Pentium 4 in general, the Northwood *C* showed that even with a bad design, good products were possible. Though REALLY BAD ones, like Prescott, were inevitable.)

24 dagen geleden
kght222
kght222

what is really fun is that with who made x86 and x64 it doesn't matter which company (amd or intel) that you buy your processor from, they both get some money.

24 dagen geleden
TehJumpingJawa
TehJumpingJawa

I have an idea for a topic; the origin of "Alt+F4". It's quite an interesting rabbit hole that goes a long *long* way back; the stimulus for IBM's CUA, its adoption in Windows, why it was less influential in Unix, and its eventual obsolescence.

24 dagen geleden
dodolurker
dodolurker

Ah yes, Itanic... sorry, Itanium. A name I have not heard in a long time. A long time. I was in high school when this was released. I remember there was a lot of hype before launch, hype that came crashing through the floor very fast after launch 😀. I also remember Itanium CPUs were listed on my country's most popular PC hardware site. The price was just insane, I remember laughing and thinking - this a site for people who want components, desktop PCs and laptops for gaming or something, why would they even list this thing 😃. But they did. For years. I'm seriously amazed its support is ending only now, I thought it was dead a long time ago.

24 dagen geleden
EclipseGST94
EclipseGST94

And yet ARM fanbois still think that Intel is the only reason we are all using x86. Nope. AMD saved it. And it's still in use because it's still more effective to have a hardware based decoder than it is to emulate with a software based one. Imho x86 will never die. ARM would have to be able to offer a CPU that could emulate x86-64 at the same performance level as a native x86 cpu, use less power than that x86 cpu while emulating at the same performance level, and ALSO be cheaper to produce and sell. Considering the 20+% loss in emulating even 32 bit, i don't see that happening.

24 dagen geleden
PLZFrosty
PLZFrosty

That metaphor, or whatever you call it, outtro EPIC! X"D

24 dagen geleden
Panos
Panos

3:30 ... tension.

24 dagen geleden
philip dias
philip dias

Itanium was a Turkey. An expensive turkey

24 dagen geleden
MasterCommandCEO
MasterCommandCEO

Completely random but I love this lil info vid tbh. Also looking good my guy! w.e you're doing is working!

24 dagen geleden
skilz8098
skilz8098

x86 won't go away anytime soon, but I have a feeling its towards the end of its lifespan. Not sure which direction Intel is going to go, but I think Risc-V might have an impact towards their newer design decisions...

24 dagen geleden
RomanoProductions
RomanoProductions

Yvonne is the opteron. Linus is the itanium.

24 dagen geleden
Geriatric Gamer
Geriatric Gamer

One of the few videos where James did a really good job - kept his humor out of the picture. Keep it up sir. :)

24 dagen geleden
Nicolas Sicard - Personne n'en parle
Nicolas Sicard - Personne n'en parle

That metaphore was actually pretty good xD

24 dagen geleden
David Frischknecht
David Frischknecht

So, AMD licensed the x86-32 architecture from Intel, but then Intel later on licensed the x86-64 architecture from AMD. Kind of funny if you think about it.

24 dagen geleden
看海人
看海人

Not only that. AMD and Intel have been cross-licensing their patents. HTC also have cross-licensing of patents with Apple. But HTC never makes use of those Apple patents.

4 dagen geleden
ViniZan San
ViniZan San

So... basicaly are we stuck in x86 forever?

24 dagen geleden
Jase Watson
Jase Watson

Did you have "ants in your pants" while presenting this?

24 dagen geleden
dirething
dirething

They never were well supported in many compilers, and after the first four years of promises that would be fixed most people just went the higher core route

24 dagen geleden
MonochromeWench
MonochromeWench

Intel forgot why they were number 1 and thought that because they were number 1 everyone would buy their product. Leaving a big gap in the market for an opportunistic competitor with an x86 licence to do what intel wouldn't. It had to be super embarrassing for intel to have to licence AMD64 for their own 64bit x86 chips.

24 dagen geleden
Fan of PickledDonutLord
Fan of PickledDonutLord

but its 2021 we have to kill x86 now!! No to 32bit! Only 64Bit!!!

24 dagen geleden
Josh
Josh

very cool video. I overclocked an i7 980xee to 5.3 ghz on linux. base clock was 3.33. windows wouldnt load anything above 4.9 ghz back then.

24 dagen geleden
Abubakr Abualnassr
Abubakr Abualnassr

I never heard of ITANIUM, but I came across IA64 during college, particularly as we were using Intel's manual when we were studying x86 architecture assembly language.

24 dagen geleden
Solanumtinkr
Solanumtinkr

I wonder how an Ai would have handled arranging schedules for a CPU...

24 dagen geleden
bowedfloor
bowedfloor

Like, how did the Itanium arch pass the sniff test.

25 dagen geleden
Neal Miskin
Neal Miskin

It's the same problem everybody trying to build a competing architecture faces: The vast majority of software is for x86 and making software compatible with a new instruction set is time consuming. So unless you're a company like Apple that has enough industry clout to essentially force the industry to port everything to their new chip as quickly as they can, it's going to be really difficult to sell many chips if most software won't run on them.

25 dagen geleden
CyFr's Corner
CyFr's Corner

There's so much legacy in x86 that isn't used, takes up space, and less optimized

25 dagen geleden
Roxor128
Roxor128

Aren't all but the most common instructions handled in microcode these days?

20 dagen geleden
Michael Lenczewski
Michael Lenczewski

We called it the Itanic.

25 dagen geleden
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Bargain bin Luke is getting pretty good at being on camera and presenting.

25 dagen geleden
afan haqul
afan haqul

Intel : trying to kill x86 Linux desktop : Our time has coming😇

25 dagen geleden
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Red1 Monster

I really don't like the mid video sponsor segments

25 dagen geleden

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