CPU Angstroms vs. Nanometers

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    Learn about angstroms, and why Intel has decided to start using them instead of nanometers when describing CPUs.

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KYSMO
KYSMO

Smart guy: "Okay, time to start using picometers!" Dumb guy: "I have a better idea!"

2 dagen geleden
Jan vdb
Jan vdb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD1bQeeEo9M&list=PL3JZqWrkjyrxutCR4Ke9WCzXsMa454Xs7&index=1

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Julia Smith
Julia Smith

EUV is genius. They use their existing tech to make nanometer scale fresnel lenses to better focus a higher intensity UV for etching/litho

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Msb Domi
Msb Domi

not everything said here is correct, please check what you tell so many people. As an example, EUV is not used to make the transistor, but to illuminate the mask that is needed to etch the structures. And 5nm structure width does not mean that it is the transistor, but the smallest component of it, which in the end becomes a transistor.

4 dagen geleden
Anders Jackson
Anders Jackson

It is Ångström, not Angstrom. Or stay in SI units.

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Prince Walker
Prince Walker

It's Anthony, my favorite LTT guy! No disrespect Linus.

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Dani LP
Dani LP

Wow we get really a few atoms sized transistors. Crazy how small and precise humanity can achieve this but fails at renewable energy or peace or basic human rights.

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Vex2not
Vex2not

Now this is some Hollywood sounding bs I'm excited

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dansidney
dansidney

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE ELECTRON IS ANYMORE

27 dagen geleden
Marko Kap
Marko Kap

How is it possible to chisel things to this size

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matopuk123
matopuk123

Why not just use atom of Si as unit... "Woaah, this is 16atom cpu"

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KingAFlamez
KingAFlamez

Wouldn't quantum tunneling prevent transistors from being 2nm big?

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Jan vdb
Jan vdb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD1bQeeEo9M&list=PL3JZqWrkjyrxutCR4Ke9WCzXsMa454Xs7&index=1

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GameCyborg
GameCyborg

and they're not changing to picometers why?

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schrodingers cat
schrodingers cat

If you are going to bother changing the measurements why not come up with something more exciting this is simply going to lead to the exact same problem of diminishing returns in marketing almost instantly instead why not go to pictometers.

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Matt Raymond
Matt Raymond

Intel has a mole.

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tubehellcat
tubehellcat

lol, when I read that 20A thumb, I at first was afraid the topic would be why the dreaded "A20 gate" still is a thing 😬 Thankfully, it wasn't, 'cause that pain still sits deep 😁

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Endtimescoming
Endtimescoming

Intel can't get past 14 nanometer they aren't going to angstroms soon, now Team Red, they may well need to in the very near future

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Endtimescoming
Endtimescoming

and Now I must go find Zork

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Hugin Phosphor
Hugin Phosphor

hmmm... so 20 A means 9 si-atoms in line? is that the length or the width? what area would that be? if i knew the area, and knowing how much space between transistors, i could scale it up to the chipsize. wouldnt that be... easier to understand in terms of how the calculating power of a chip scales from generation to generation?

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Bastet Furry
Bastet Furry

I first thought the A20 gate was back. ^^'

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NeonGen2000
NeonGen2000

But why? The metric system goes lower than nano... there's pico, femto, atto, zepto and yocto... Your ångström is just a deci-nanometer or 100 picometer. Feels more like Americans will use just about any obscure standard of measure to avoid using metric... (I know ångström is technically metric, but we already had picometer)

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Bernardo Espíndola
Bernardo Espíndola

why not picometers tho

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Trevor Standley
Trevor Standley

"Shrunk by 100 times..." Is it not really 10,000 times because that is the 1 dimensional measurement and the transistors are at least 2d?

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Heath Ratliff
Heath Ratliff

"Fanboy war where mobile gamers scream at each other over Intel vs. Samsung chips" we already have that now, but it is ARM (Apple) vs ARM (Qualcomm) vs ARM (Samsung) vs ARM (MediaTek), vs ARM (Kirin) vs ARM (Google). I'm betting on ARM to win the tussle.

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Geoff Strickler
Geoff Strickler

The big issue I have with this is that even nm failed to be a relevant measure more than a decade ago. Switching to another physical measurement unit that doesn’t actually represent anything about the process or transistor feature size is the wrong thing to to. Switch to a relevant measurement, such as maximum transistor density per mm2 or cm2. Then we can actually compare across fabs as well.

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Geoff Strickler
Geoff Strickler

@Ritwik Reddy but those are impossible to measure in any meaningful way, especially once you change architectures. As least maximum transistor density gives a meaningful cross fab measurement. Remember,mere talking about manufacturing technologies, not finished product capabilities.

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Ritwik Reddy
Ritwik Reddy

But that doesn't mean anything either. What we actually need is power efficiency and processing power measurements.

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RightUp
RightUp

Any unit that's not metric is just dumb. This one is at least easy to convert. This is som dumb marketing guy idea.

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J N
J N

sensationalism and marketing

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Torpedo Hippo
Torpedo Hippo

But the Angström symbol is Å, so why would they call it 20A? >_>

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Samarth Bhatia
Samarth Bhatia

Why shouldn't they just switch to picometers and 'future proof' it?

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Em M
Em M

since when did samsung make good CPUs?

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A L
A L

lol. It's cute that Intel thinks it's process technology is still relevant.

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J S
J S

We are lucky they manage in a way to skip maybe one gen to the next. Really like Anthony he is cool to listen and has fact down.

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Nyte256
Nyte256

There is a limit to size decreases... the molecular transistor. I have been out of the semi world for a long time, but back then the issue was drawing the pattern for etching. The light limit was reached, and they were having to switch to electron-based machines. It is funny, but the mass rush to decrease in size ended about 20 years ago. Now it is all about refinement, while slowly gathering the machines and resources to jump down to the next size.

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Rmax Diaz
Rmax Diaz

They can't even manufacture their chips on 7nm causing them to lag behind AMD, now they are talking about 2nm, what a joke

2 maanden geleden
phunkym8
phunkym8

why do transistors need to get smaller instead of cpus get bigger with more of the 'big' transistors? nobody would mind a cooler twice the size. the ryzen is already a bit bigger than the usual 4x4 cm or so

2 maanden geleden
SMG4 Gaming - Poppy from DreamWorks' Trolls
SMG4 Gaming - Poppy from DreamWorks' Trolls

Intel is for Noobs. AMD is for Pros.

2 maanden geleden
Lizard King
Lizard King

It's a gimmick. Use SI, like the rest of the planet. America is not a special snowflake.

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Don chan
Don chan

Psh, screw all you guys and your picometers when we can have...MOLECULE METERS (mm) BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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NastyWicked
NastyWicked

Yay Anthony!

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Three Cats
Three Cats

Why not use decimal places with nanometres? The move to picometeres later.

2 maanden geleden
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Alan D1
Alan D1

Angstroms is nothing more than a marketing gimmick and Intel is fanning the flames of a technology that is still a decade away. They can't even perfect the 5nm process and they are looking to 2nm or less already? It's a bad joke. Before we know it Intel will market a 700 angstrom chip. They are trying to copywrite the term and that's it.

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Chris Cannon
Chris Cannon

Really. You bought into the marketing! Please tell me you know modern process nodes are NOT named on physical transistor size. Hence to "old" Intel naming 14 ++++++ etc. They are only realigning their naming process to compete easier with the other fabs on a marketing level

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George Gonzalez
George Gonzalez

I didn't see you mention an important point-- chips are basically 2D. So if you go from 1000 to 10 nanometers, that is a factor of 100 in linear size, but 10,000 times smaller in transistor area. So the gains have been much larger than the linear feature size would indicate. Lots better.

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nightmisterio
nightmisterio

We need more companies, the centralization of tech is scary.

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sagaris g&m
sagaris g&m

Smaller nm or whatever will be useless if still need a lot of electricity just like what happend on intel h45 on laptops which is 10nm have terrible battery life despite it is not made for desktop replacement laptop

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CJICantLie
CJICantLie

Litho doesn't etch. I would expect you to know better, Anthony.

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Doug Steel
Doug Steel

They aren't actually that size, it's pretty much a marketing term

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FireRedz
FireRedz

tech deez nuts

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SuperKawaiiChannel
SuperKawaiiChannel

What's with the background? Looks terrible...

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tshinharR
tshinharR

Just a small correction, the size is not of the transistor, but of the gate. The way chips are designed you can't measure the size of an actual transistor

2 maanden geleden
Synaxis
Synaxis

did you mean ASMR with anthony

2 maanden geleden
David Wales
David Wales

Picometers.

2 maanden geleden
Danny Cashflow
Danny Cashflow

Make a video about photonic CPU’s because I love this channel!!!

2 maanden geleden
LevelHeaded Bomb
LevelHeaded Bomb

Mmm Angstrom burgers made with real Angstrom...what...

2 maanden geleden
Jesper Hammarlund
Jesper Hammarlund

Why not just switch to picometers? Which is next after nanometers……..

2 maanden geleden
Melon Collie
Melon Collie

I'd say at this point transistors per square millimeter and flops per watt would be preferable, since regardless of what dimensions the transistors are, if you can fit 5 million in a square millimeter, then you can fit 5 million in a square millimeter.

2 maanden geleden
Hank
Hank

You kinda flip-flopped on this one... You were talking about the node names as if they actually corresponded to anything real for the vast majority of the video, but noted that the names actually mean nothing at around 3:20... But even then you only said that there isn't an "industry standard way of measuring transistor sizes," while in reality they are just names as far as I can tell. For instance, IBM's new "2nm" ribbon FETs have ribbons that have 5x40nm cross-sections, which are then surrounded by what I'm guessing is a dielectric. So what is the "2nm" referring to? Doesn't look like it's the dielectric thickness considering it's about the same thickness as the ribbons, but even then, how is thickness a useful benchmark at all? You can reliably get well under 2nm pretty easily even with MBE. You want real precision? Just go over to the ALD system and get the exact number of atomic layers you want. It literally only a single layer per cycle, regardless of how long you leave a step in the cycle running. That's why it's called atomic layer deposition. It's a more precise chemical vapor deposition that takes advantage of surface reactions. I want a video explaining what the node names are actually referring to. I have a feeling it's something stupid like "well, Moore's Law which was only really an observation made decades ago about a trend over the decade prior and extrapolating that trend out a couple of years says that we should have transistor densities this high by now which translates to this width if we use the same width:density ratio that stopped being applicable a decade ago, so we'll name it after that width even though the improvements didn't involve much/any changes to the actual critical dimensions of the devices." So now we have people laughing at Intel for being the only company that isn't lying in its node naming scheme. "Lol, they suck. They can't even lie about achieving 5 or 7nm. They've been stuck on 14nm like everyone else for so many generations." It's like making things up to discredit Trump. There are PLENTY of actual things that you can point to. Why are you making things up when you can just use what they give you?

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Jason59k
Jason59k

at some point we gonna be measuring transistors in picometers

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kdawg3484
kdawg3484

Angstroms have been used forever as their own unit because they describe the scale of atoms in small integer numbers. Now that we're approaching that scale with semiconductors, it's perfectly reasonable to use the same terminology. Intel's marketing is still terrible, but using Angstroms to describe process nodes is fine.

2 maanden geleden
Arthur Pimentel Zampirolli
Arthur Pimentel Zampirolli

the 3400g has 12nm transistors

2 maanden geleden
obimk1
obimk1

Apple M1 chip is on 5nm already

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obimk1
obimk1

EUV 3400C is made by ASML. ASML can deliver about 50 EUV machines / year. EUV will set you back about $150 million/piece. Former ASML engineer.

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Your Average Burntout Student
Your Average Burntout Student

Anthony is my sugar daddy

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Paul Nolan
Paul Nolan

Thank you Anthony. Fascinating and complex subject made palatable and digestible ^^

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Ultormento
Ultormento

If Intel seriously aimed to regain chip manufacturing leadership, they would have to put more effort to produce chip which is reliable to use in smartphone. As for brand, they could just add "m". For example: Intel mCore i11. Just an example.

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Ben Roelands
Ben Roelands

but when you make it smaller it is then also slower???

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Zzqlocke Dreizehn
Zzqlocke Dreizehn

I see anthony, i press like

2 maanden geleden
A Todaso
A Todaso

How could anyone dislike an Anthony video?

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Silvannos
Silvannos

Dear Anthony, thanks for the nice explanation about Angstroms or Ångströms in the video. I know, that most English-speaking people pronounce it as ang-struhm, but Anders Jonas Ångström was a Swedish physicist and the Å is pronounced more like an 'oo' in the fl'oo'r with little 'u' sound from the word f'u'n. ö is pronounced somewhat like 'u' in h'u'rt. It would be great to hear you try to pronounce it that way :).

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Steve D
Steve D

There is a point where quantum effects such as electron tunneling prevents transistors from shrinking any further…

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A_li12 Fathar
A_li12 Fathar

Marketing ball

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Prodromos Regalides
Prodromos Regalides

Just a reminder to see, how some people dragged Intel back for so long. If Intel had stuck on its tik- tok strategy, it would have released their 5nm node in 2020 and about to release their 3nm in 2022. Which would have them 2 years ahead of any competition. Because for example Intel's 7 nm is like the 5 nm of its competitors. Now, in my book in a leading company like Intel you don't slow down your manufacturing prowess. You accelerate it. But Intel did not just slow down, it came to a halt. It did not just encounter difficulties producing new nodes, it was just betrayed. When you are top dog sporting the best engineers on the planet and a full 2 years ahead of the competition, you just can't fall behind 4 years from people you were easily ahead just a breath ago. It is not that competition moved faster. It is that you stopped.

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Hank
Hank

They didn't slow it down. They just stopped arbitrarily reducing the size of the numbers. They have since realized that people are idiots and decided to just use numbers rather than suggest that their transistors have anything to do with the arbitrary name they're named after.

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Pegaroo
Pegaroo

If it's all about the number of transistors on the chip then why do they simply use they number of transistors per square millimetre?

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Hank
Hank

Because it's not. It's an arbitrary number.

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Andero
Andero

potato chips are best!!!!

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Zaptosis
Zaptosis

I'm still using 32 nm just perfectly fine

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Hank
Hank

So are the companies naming their processes "2nm"

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Alphahydro
Alphahydro

I remember when Intel was on top. Aahhh, remember the times.

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JayzBeerz
JayzBeerz

Can you repeat that in English :)

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Bryan de Paepe
Bryan de Paepe

Don't forget about quantum tunneling effects under 1 nm.

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Conquer or Die
Conquer or Die

Everybody making fun of Intel until China goes kinetic with Taiwan. Then they'll be our savior for having fabs in de-centralized locations.

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Epic Action
Epic Action

Tony is such a top bloke, always want to listen to him 😎

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AME TV
AME TV

I’m Sorry but if I tel 4 is 7nm A Intel 20a is 2 nm Then wtf Is intel 3 ? 5 nm

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francis short jr
francis short jr

Supercomputers would be far faster maybe in the exaflop range

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Eddie O'Connor
Eddie O'Connor

While it can be impressive in regards to performance and all that?...I wonder "Why"?....I mean is a nano-second even measurable to the naked eye?...or can any of you tell me how many nano-seconds pass within a second without using a mathematical formula?....you know...like how you can tell me automatically that there are 60 seconds in one minute? I think we as a society need to slow down with the "MAKING" of faster processors etc?...and work on PRESERVING the PLANET that we use these devices ON!...I mean..the ice caps are melting...and parts of the world are either drying up...or else sinking!...so does it REALLY matter how fast a laptop...or mobile device is? IF NO ONE'S AROUND TO USE IT!? I'm Just Sayin'

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FromMyBrain
FromMyBrain

20 Amps!?!

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WhyteLis21
WhyteLis21

Dare I say, we might be finally, going to switch to a new type of material for computer chips in the next few decades or so, from now? Lol.

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WhyteLis21
WhyteLis21

@Hank 😊👍

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Hank
Hank

Doubtful. People would hear something in the name and get scared. The plan was GaAs a few decades ago. Then people heard what As was and freaked out. Plus, SiO2 is too convenient.

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BrainyacBeast UltimateBe4st
BrainyacBeast UltimateBe4st

@0:31 the 3400g is basen on zen+ so it is on 12nm not 7nm like zen2

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paul brown
paul brown

SRAM cells per mm2 or um2 should be used, this would give a rough indication of process technology and density.

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Olising
Olising

stg there was one after nm that isnt some long ass word

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Devraj Thakkar
Devraj Thakkar

Only watching this for Anthony

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sprinter768
sprinter768

So, they will be named after the guy that faked the moon landing?? .... ;-)

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nyomen
nyomen

0:31 WRONG. That 3400g has 12nm....

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Jay Nunn
Jay Nunn

Ahh, the Tech Walrus.....

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Jjmackey
Jjmackey

4:15 - Anthony has seen the apocalypse

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RogueStar_1
RogueStar_1

What's wrong with a picometer?

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Jeremy Kothe
Jeremy Kothe

huh? 750->500 is more impressive than 7>5? methinks you've fallen to the "marketing bullshit" meme. It's the goddamn same.

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mcl48YT
mcl48YT

ya man

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Knights Chamber
Knights Chamber

YES ANOTNOYYYY I LOVE WHEN U DO THESE VIDEOS

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Goran Roth
Goran Roth

ÅNGSTRÖM !

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gameflux
gameflux

So we won t be able to say 14nm ++++ ! Good job Intel !

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